We Did It! was the front page of The New Economist, first week of January 2010.
"During the second world war, when America’s menfolk were off at the front, the government had to summon up the image of Rosie the Riveter, with her flexed muscle and “We Can Do It” slogan, to encourage women into the workforce. Today women are marching into the workplace in ever larger numbers and taking a sledgehammer to the remaining glass ceilings." The New Economist.
The first thing that came to my mind was the article from The Harvard Business Review, December 2009 and the discussion that followed Women CEOs.Why so few? (referred to it in a previous post about Meg Whitman)
As I began writing my series on Women Speakers, I started collecting stories, data and examples of charismatic women leaders.
There are two examples of places, other than business, where Women Leaders could be but are still invisible or in minority.
- In Cooking, as Women Chefs
- In Music, as Women Conductors
I found it intriguing that around the same time, end of 2009, beginning of 2010, so many articles made the headlines with "Where are the Women Chefs? "I decided to look for them, and guess what, I found plenty!
Where? In France, of course, more precisely in Lyon! (it's a very "etnocentric" approach, I admit, but it will give you the opportunity to learn about French Women!)
- In Cooking, as Women Chefs
Food for Thought: Who are The Top Women Chefs? -The Huffington Post November 2009.In this article, you will discover why so few women reach and stay at the Top.
My 3 conclusions :
It's still a man's world, and even a very "macho" one
Very few men deal well with the fact of being married to a Chef
Women have to chose between their restaurant and their private life
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My first thoughts went to the movie "Julie and Julia" Not only was Child not welcome - she was absolutely discourage by the woman who owned the school. I often think that it is our fellow women who are our own worst enemies. Fortunately, they are also are great supporters and allies.
I find myself less actively involved over the years with the woman's movement, per se, but I maintain my networks both formal ones and those that are friendships with years of memories. I no longer sit on these Boards or focus my work on woman's issues. Still, I find that much of my work is with women leaders and executives.
I suppose then, it is not surprising that 70% of those completing my Success Survey were women. Besides Twitter and LinkedIn -those are the networks I tapped... my women relationships. You can track my ongoing analysis at: http://www.eclecticchange.com/success/
Posted by: robertahill | Thursday, February 18, 2010 at 11:05
Marion, thanks. Your post is packed with a lot of great information!
Interestingly, my client mix is almost the opposite of Roberta's: about 85% male. I think this is true for these reasons:
- I happen to love men. Not in THAT way, but mostly when they've discovered that what used to work for them no longer does. Generally, this means that they need to take on some of the softer skills that have been previously attributed to women.
- I work in a lot of male-dominated industries, included pharma and engineering.
- Most senior managers are men (I work from mid-level up through the C-suite).
I often wonder if they can grasp working with a strong female coach (and business owner), see that she has something to bring to the table - will that change their (often subconscious)thinking about women in leadership positions?
Posted by: Mary Jo Asmus | Thursday, February 18, 2010 at 18:46
Interesting MJ, I am actually coaching more men here in Europe. I have always found that men are much more open with a woman coach. I have seen those same men with other male coaches and it often starts to look like a "pissing" contest. Please, don't get me wrong, my male colleagues try very hard not to engage.
I also coach in a male dominated industries (having come from Hi Tech, Science, Telecommunications, Research) but historically with women trying to figure it out. Perhaps that is because while I represented the supposedly softer side, I was never very "touchy feely" myself. You know this - maybe I have mellowed a little.
Posted by: Roberta Hill | Thursday, February 18, 2010 at 20:24
Thanks Marion for generating a great discussion. I'm finding some of the same things as Roberta and Mary Jo and some differences as well.
1. I too work with many men as coaching and consulting clients. Several years ago I conducted research on what men and women think women leaders are bringing to leadership practices. The responses pointed overwhelmingly to the importance of relational competencies. Men said that not only are these skills more important as a result of the presence of women, but the men I spoke to said they are learning to improve from women. So, it makes sense that men are working to integrate relational competencies AND turning to women coaches to do so.
2. I work with many women as well, but here's the catch. A number of them seek coaching independently from the corporate umbrella. I have several observations and ways of making meaning of this. Some of my women clients have more problems with and/or feel more dissatisfaction with the prevailing culture. They want to be free to explore this arena and coaching on the corporation's nickel limits the freedom they need. In addition, women often still feel "lucky" to have high level jobs and are often reluctant to ask for more - whether it's money, benefits, or coaching. Quick example - the other day I suggested to a woman that she negotiate a higher salary. THE IDEA NEVER OCCURRED TO HER. Once it did, however, she knew exactly what approach to use with her manager. She was spot on and received a 15% increase. He named the amount.
I'm sure there are more ways to see these differences and look forward to more comments on your post.
Anne Perschel (@bizshrink)
Leadership and Business Psychologist
Unstoppable force advancing savvy women leaders who pay it forward, back and sideways.
Posted by: Anne Perschel | Friday, February 19, 2010 at 00:33
Roberta, Mary Jo and Anne, thank you so much for joining the conversation here!
First, Roberta.
It's true that women can be their worst enemies, and fortunately, as your survey shows, more and more willing to collaborate and the first to provide support.
I've writen a post about "Women at work: cooperation or competition?" http://www.geronimocoaching.com/2009/02/index.html
Mary Jo:
I love the idea of you planting the seeds of "women in leadership positions"in senior managers ' representations.
It's clever way to implement change in mentalities, among Gen X and Baby Boomers Male managers.
Then, Anne.
What I mostly appreciate about your comment, is your ability to embrace both the masculine and the feminine sides.
A perfect integration of the Yin and the Yang!
I agree with you, Roberta and Mary Jo that " men are working to integrate relational competencies, and turning to women coaches".
Women don't know how to ask for what they want: maybe that's the number one skill they need to learn?
see this recent article in Forbes "Is it more effective to network like a man (ask) or like a woman (give and take)
http://global.forbes.com/2009/10/07/networking-relationships-connections-forbes-women-entrepreneurs-men.html
I thought you'd ALL like that quote:
"If you know what you want, ask for it. Drop the small talk. And if you are going to make small talk, make boy small talk, not girl talk. And get to the point." Helen Fischer
Women definitely would benefit from taylored leadership development programmes, suited to their specific needs.
I mostly work with Gen X and Gen Y women managers, moving to advanced management positions. Usually very well educated, often with a double degree, engineering and business, sometimes an MBA. They are in their 30s and juggle between too many "roles".They both crave for more recognition of their achievements and lack of self-enhancement.
I "love women" as much as you love men!
I like the idea of expressing their feminine power,with compassion, creativity and determination.
There's an opportunity today, with Millennials, both men and women, to change representations about women in leadership positions.
That will be the subject of my next post!
Posted by: Marion Chapsal | Friday, February 19, 2010 at 08:31